Quote from Silverracer :

Hi, it seems to be empty at the moment.

Try connecting via "join specific host": Server name "& R2R GEN PRO"

Use LFSworld online hosts
then add that to bookmarks/favoiurites menu in browser

Its been very Interesting watch R2R and R4R work together/ Race together and seeing the fruits of their labour on/off the track.

Keep it up

I reccomend these servers to anyone looking for some seriously solid racing, with a bucketload of good vibrations look no further then the OP.

edit

*also never new that the AA demo server was under your wings, been racing there too a little recently* Nice demo races there too

Is patch out yet?
I wait long time!
My teeth fell out!
Can I sue?

And finally, if a tree falls in a forest, but noone sees it, does it make any sound?

Quote from bosbrandje :

There is a way to solve the problems. The programmers can program a 'crash avoider'.
For example, car A drives towards T1 and another car B, right behind car A brakes too late, crash imminent. This can be calculated and an automated sending to the pit lane for car B can be programmed.
Same goes for crashing from the side; excessive sudden movements which mean imminent crash between cars can be calculated, and just before any crash there can be automated measures taken.

But there are many flaws here with that reasoning, lag connection , also this just wouldnt teach any real lessons on car control. and most of all take out the fun.

Quote from franky500 :

There is a balance somewhere in middle of leaving it too long, and doing it too early.

But finding this balance is no overnight job. It requires patience and in my opinion. "lack" of insim interfeerence.

Me, I Personally feel that the biggest killer of decent racing has been insim applications.

Decent pick up racing died once people became too relient on systems similar to the old CTRA systems.

Ok story time, you may want a nice warm cup of coca

I said,discussed this about ctra when it first started, it creates a "must win" attitude, its hard to resist, this then enhanced the divide perhaps diversification in the class of car pepople had/have the ability to drive on these "popular" insim servers. The rise and fall of certain systems on these servers created a cumminty hooked on this style of racing.
Thus creating a layered experience, not a pure LFS experience.
This is akin to mods, which is in a way the fragmentation or the enhancements of what the core elements of a game provides.
If its for points then theres gonna be people fighting, no matter the objective.
Which brings me to the point of LFS becoming a game which is being at the core of the rot to a certain extent,harsh observation but maybe a certain element of the above can be atrributed to this.

It can be argued that its the users and not the system, but with out the eggs, chickens wouldnt be running around headless.
Its a bit of everything all at the same time, like most of the time

old timers becoming frustrated with the lack or decent races maybe?
new users from the announcement of patch relaease frustated adding fuel to a fire thats burning.
Yes its damn frustrating at times.

Its a balance of force if you can view it from this perspective. Just dont give into hate, use the force luke....

Sorry i couldnt resist that, but in all seriousness, educate the new guys. Help them with track knowledge. When i first strarted LFS many years ago i was a user who downloaded a "rip" of LFS in mid-late 2003, heavy addicted to my original copy of GPL and my trusty sega sturn with Sega rally (and wheel).

The amount of times i swore at that machine and in GPL (and lfs still) is quite amazing. I realised quite soon that this game wasnt your average racer.
Got annoyed that i couldnt really hack the multiplayer system, and bought a liscence.
Now why did i do this?

I raced on demo servers in that few months trying to justify my expenidutre of limited funds (unemployed living at parents, slightly long term unemployed)
Man life was depressing, anyways that story requires vodka and coco not together maybe but, handy.

I started trying to work out why everytime i braked i went in a stright line, NFS never did that and GPL, well that game is the work of the devil.
So i perciveered unwittingly knowing that 7 years down the line, I'd be rambiling on like an old man.

I joined, well later on in this story I did, and became a regular driver at what was a demo server and what was another place i called home.
I met many freinds during this time, and to this day keep in regular contact, maybe LFS isnt a part of their lives these days as it has been mine and others around me physically and of course other memebers of this community,
But any way im drifting here and losing the point.
I'm here because of te attitudes that previeled in this era of LFS, in my first team DeadMenRacing, I met many of the people that proved to be the finest elements of what this Simulator delivers, Fun respectful and fierce racing, with the moments of "doh" thrown in for all.
Listen, I'm not proclaiming that im some acient guru or have a voice that should be listened to, I'm just some guy sat on a chiar typing.
You may of seen me in somthing called "XRT"
Just dont give into hate people, just know that crusie servers should be nuked from orbit

ok ok i joke. But divide exists everywhere, even more so in these times i feel not just in LFS, but for the human species, existance of everything really, but that is again another topic.

Ok before i go (as coffee has run out, all easter eggs munched) , I'll end with this seris of light hearted questions. In relationship to the topic (am thristy)

How to treat the rot?
Will we have to cut out the rot?
Can we relocate this rot?
I wish this rot would Just go away?
Actually this rot is just natural and is part of the cycle of life?
What rot?

/ugh

Agreed SD, mods need more banhammers or a under 18 section.

Quote from Kalev EST :

Is this another "lets talk about our feelings" thread?

I think I might expand on your reply notanillusion if you dont mind.

This"quoted" statement from kaev (sorry to highlight you in this post kalev) being quite important in somthing called trust, regardless of the nature or value of trust. Maybe this thread makes you trust my opinion of anything LFS realated or not, maybe this thread will be too much for you. Or maybe alter your judgement on how i arrived at this viewpoint. On an issue that should not have to really be discussed. It should be common manners and courtesy.
Theres a time and a place for everything i hope
Im bored so I'll type for a while, I have a rather contructive few weeks away from the LFS scene and nothings really changed.
Thats both a good thing and a bad thing, as I will try to explain.

What the original poster is trying to say or plea, is for a construction of a better place for everyone.

+1 without meaning of the value is like nod, maybe a nod in the right direction. Yes you may feel that the poster had a valid reason.
But with the expression of the value its just a nod. If you agree then explain why maybe put some real life into it?

What ive noticed is that treads are becoming more "chat" orientated rather then a "forum" where ideas opinions are debated, Sure its good to catch up, but theres a "off topic area for random nonsense"

Its like the tyre progress thread derailed into a war, not evaluation, not on the possiblities of change of physics, but rather, the wait involved till that moment comes.
Where are those days where threads, where the value of the words, were actually respceted.

But this problem of "helping" is just not attributed to this forum, just go to any city and join the cattle, oblivious to the person they just almost walked into,being to busy (closed) to look up or forward.

Or that moment you say hi and its heard but not aknowledged, maybe its happen to you more recently? Its like you have said somthing wrong.

Are peoples lives so much more important as others?
Maybe im going way over the depths of the topic
Its so much easier and depressingly and strangley acceptable to be a bully, if you dont step back a moment to put things into real perspective. You become a victim of the cycle. Wether your a bully or the victim.

Everything seems to have to be so definitive, when really this moment, is just like most others, trying to do the right thing.
Just helping things move forward with a better and more collective input.
Not everyones day is a great day and yeah sometimes the cruel system we have created for ourselves becomes to tiring and pointless.
And then the reason why you enjoy your music so much, or maybe just the sun, the wind or a vioce. Puts the faith back into why you persist with the everday struggle.
No matter the shape or form that it may arrive in.
The worlds a crazy place and its moving way to fast for me no matter how hard i try to slow it at times. Man we should all be busy doing somthing eh?

Stay positive guys, theres plenty more things to be depressed about, LFS progression may be one of them.
Or like the topic I am trying to voice my opionin on.

But really, what it all boils donw to is this sim LFS, its 3 guys working as they only can, with a (slightly irational at times) international community behind them, if we all try to make this a better place, LFS will have many more happy years ahead.

Were all Human, at least i think we all are.

ugh the end /almost

Oh and Fox2 no taking XRT Rank !!!111111

You know your a LFS fanatic when your off work sick, reading the forums, quoting posts for an updated signiture.

Cant make it tongiht, LAN gaming session starts at 7pm.

No19 A.Stables

poll is incomplete, its not defining how you are detaching and wiping. Very important also is.. to which way its hung. is it on the left or right side of wall?
Anyway A is most logical.

Arrechee
Just dont take my last surviving WR guys!

Indeed joining now.
btw was racing here last night/morning and had this race (replay).

Did LFS get this wrong ... I am pretty sure i came 1st
Nice racing autopilot/spikee

Mmm maybe.. did you have to port forward your router for LFS for the last PC, it may be that the router is forwarding for a static IP asigned to MAC address that no longer exsists on the network.

e.g. old pc 192.168.1.4 and new pc 192.168.1.5

Check MAC filter also.

*edit also check for other process that might be spiking*

good point MadCat. Alos try removing and reinstalling the IP4v protocol for network adapter.

Check your power options for the OS and bios, maybe check affinty on all cores.

Quote from Becky Rose :

3% simply reverses the problem, and does not solve it.

I think your wrong here becky, its very even with 3%, with FXO being faster usually for qualifications and races where tyres are not an issue.

The 3% starts to hurt when FXO tyres are hard to keep cool or in short sprint races.

Framaris could you provide some stats from server with fastest times for a selection of tracks you have had on rota on R2R TBO server?

Great racing, had some very close contacts in the first race with no61 i think it was, but race2 i managed to make a comfortable lead, but by lap 18 i was really sweating. And last lap just no22 was just 1 second or so away.

Quote from Framaris :

What kind of TBO driver are you?

The heavily addicted, death gripping, tail happy, fxo munching maniac type.

Quote from Forbin :

Racing motorcycles don't have mirrors, so it's quite simple: riders ahead are not expected to be aware of what's behind them. Whether it be a trackday or a race, the rider ahead is responsible for maintaining a predictable line, and the rider behind is responsible for not colliding with the rider ahead.

I don't see why the addition of mirrors should complicate things so much.

But you can hear them?

Quote from voight kampff :

Neither of the last two posters haver read and/or understood my original post.

Maybe so, but as I mentioned you really should try some servers that are not public and if you must race a public server dont race on Ironhorse, that type of server does LFS no favours as you have experienced yourself.

My simple advice try deadmenracing one of the First real servers and still going strong, real gentlemen on there. Try entering a leauge of some kind. Dont let the Idiots spoil your enjoyment.

Quote from AcesHigh :

Though sometimes ivé been wondering about starting a private server, and starting sort of a "club" for clean and good racers.. and thus carefully distributing the password only to racers that behave... in the beginning it would be a kinda small crowd... but if you like the swedish community have like a good 20 racers wich would pass the "clean test".... and then pull out like 10-20 from like 2 or more other countries you would soon have a rather sweet crowd of clean racers having a blast...

sorry for rant...

Slightly off topic, but keep reading.
When i used to be a part of the team dSRC around the time s2 was about to be released during those mad demo times.
We often had a busy server and the best way we found was once full/populated. Lock the server (password) filter out the timewaters/idiots (ban/kick) then open the server up etc.
This way everybody gets to know everyone, and there is more trust, and generally a much better experience allround.

Servers run like this are few and far between these days.
Most of the people here should remember [dSRC] Battlegrounds
Maybe its me but back then (and yes back then is only 4-5 years)
Most new racers were alot more respctful and possibly daunted by
The game itself. The same goes for this forum.
Nowadays theres alot of egos flying around, my own included.
People seem to have little paitence these days, veterans and new comers alike on and off the track ingame/forums.
But one thing that has driven my desire for LFS is the way it makes you constantly seek ways to improve oneself. Regardless of some of the nonsense you see posted in a high percentage of threads, or some of the driving you encounter along the way.

But maybe what im trying to point out is that respect ultimately is the key to understanding blue flag situations, and other racers.

Quote from bbman :

Maybe that term is a bit misleading, but then we all have to find a better one, don't we?

Yes please.

Quote from jasonmatthews :

Good point, but I think you and General AL can both agree, that good hotlappers are usually good racers...

Agreed. Thinking on from my last reply, maybe call them quackers?
(qualifer/crackers)

Quote from voight kampff :

I have spent all day playing on IRacers and I have to say that the attitude on that game is spot on.


The attitude of some fast drivers is at fault on LFS in my limited experience.

Thanks for the replies, I'm going back on IRacers for some more clean racing without a single bit of grief from anybody.

Ok lets see I usually defend new users.... but your giving me a hard time here.
You are comparing organised racing to public sprint races on multiclass servers and complaining of grief.
I suggest kindly that before you go off into paradise maybe test some organised racing in LFS. Thats the kind part btw, then please share your thougts again.

Quote from mrodgers :

Google for "adjective". He says "hot laper racer" in which "racer" is the adjective giving description to the "hot lapper". By adding an adjective, it differentiates "Hot lapper racer" and "Hot lapper."

There was so many words underlined in red from Firefox it was pathetic. If I missed any other mistypings in that short narrative, please forgive me.

Oh MrRodgers.... your point is that hot lappers do not race?, or are you just asking for forgiveness for missing errors in my grammar, your spelling, my spelling? Or just snide attempt to educate the new ones in how this forum operates?
Promote Iracing? Cure insomnia?

The point is. This thread is made by a racer with from what I can tell from LFSWorld and the questions the user has posed.
That he is new to sim racing, and the styles of servers in LFS.
The user states that he is a very inexpericened racer, that is having difficulties in coping with faster traffic (surely its just not the one blue flag he is having difficulty with now surely).
Some very good posts made, and helpful explinations, and some cheap shots.
And now that hes caused a hurricane in a teacup, hes off for delightful jolly.
So what have we learnt.

A. Dont judge a book by its writing (advice given)
B. The colour of your skin does not make you drive faster (although red is in your head)
C. Idiots will follow where fools tread hopelessly. (racing lines)
D. No matter how hard you try, you can always try harder (please be my guest)

The problem is that sometimes new racers try and fail to hold the racing line under blueflag conditions,they will slowdown, pull wide the closer you get, taking both the racing line the passing line and a corner exit. Or just stop dead and then spectate. Then comes the other part of the problem, the voteban happy crowd, the quackers type racer then ploughs on his line regardless.
Resulting in this thread. Time will tell and wounds will heal. But disrespecting a blue flag and blaming hotlappers !!!!!!1111

Its only natural as new users gotta learn, as well as some oldies myself included.

peace o/

Just to clarify somthing about my earlier post in this thread, it wasnt a rant.
Just pointing out that the term "hot lapper racer" that was used to describe this type of behaviour, is & was quite misleading and frustating, and instulting for the majoroty of hotlappers.

Quote from Woz :

For the OP: LFS also does suffer what I will call hot lap racers.

These are people that can lay down great hotlap time but fail to understand race rules or understand that the person that has a place on them might not be as fast.

Here we go blame the fast guys


here is a copy/paste of the top hotlappers.

Main Hotlap Rank: RANK INFO
Pos Racer Handicap Done
1 arrechee -0:49.645 18 C
2 Bawbag -0:49.055 18 C
3 Rocabiliz -0:48.375 18 C
4 DaveWS -0:47.485 18 C
5 Jonesy_ -0:43.465 18 C
6 Karolis[Lt] -0:40.965 18 C
7 M4ver1ck -0:36.575 18 C
8 Gargus -0:35.345 18 C
9 zeromussov -0:32.335 18 C
10 indie -0:27.875 18

they must all suck bad

or how about this list...

WR holders chart:
arrowkart4 106
arrechee 76
Karolis[Lt] 50
NickC 48
Daniel1992 36
_Mateusz_ 36
MarcG 35
510N3D 34
hugoluis 21
[DUcK] 19
Fox 2 18
Zanini 18
vincper 18
Bawbag 16
pecholobo 16
DaveWS 15
AutoPilot 13
Garfild12 12

Please tell me which ones cannot race , and if any racer on the track knows the lines best its usually not the one getting blueflagged ok.

Ive seen this point come up a lot of times regarding hotlappers and racing skills. Couldnt be further then the truth imo. The "hotlapper" is more likely to be on the limit and the inexeperienced blueflagged racer will more then likely be unable to anticipate manouvers made by the incoming pack. I`ve raced enough hotlappers to know that this "hot lap racers". condition is not the case as you present it to be.

The "hot lap racer" will be more likely intrested in tweaking and testing set, while racing. And in my opinion server that have midrace enable do so, so that other racers can join in the fun. (this is why they are racing on servers with no wind)
Getting blueflagged when you have joined mid race and trying to hold a racing line in sprint racing is very unsportman like.


Just thought id straighten that point out a little.

Anyways all thats needed is common sense and decency regardless of speed, skill, age, colour, sex, height, weight, looks, financial status, religous beliefs and vices. Oh and forum post count, amount of WR held, stats and hardware owned

*edit*
If you want an example of how the idiots getting blueflagged ruin sprint racing just got to ironhorseracing.*
If you want decent racing with racers, id recconmend Deadmenracing or R2R servers.

Last edited by Gener_AL (UK), Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:34. Reason : adding examples

You know you're a long time LFS player if u can remember nothing appart from LFS